DESPITE
being told he'd never make a career out of poetry, John Cooper Clarke
has certainly proved his school career adviser wrong.
Not
only has he forged a successful path writing and performing his
poetry - and has been at the forefront of the poetry movement for the
past 40 plus years - John has also seen his work adapted by
musicians, released several albums of his own, performed on the same
bill as the likes of the Sex Pistols and has been hailed as the Bard
of Salford.
Indeed
his acerbic, satirical, political and funny verse, delivered in a
rapid-fire performance style can be heard through a wide breadth of
popular culture from the Arctic Monkeys to the Sopranos earning him
the label punk poet in the process.
Not
bad he says for a boy from Salford who went to a "slum school"
and "hated every minute of it".
The
65-year-old is still writing and touring and is about to take to the
hallowed stage of the Royal Festival Hall on Saturday, October 4 as
part of the Southbank Centre's London Literature Festival.
He
will be joined by special guests, Mike Garry, Luke Wright, Simon Day
and Phill Jupitus in what promises to be an entertaining and eclectic
evening.
We
chat ahead of the gig which is part of his latest nationwide tour.
Frank Sinatra is on the stereo in the background and John is just
back at his home in Essex after a five week family holiday in France.
Whether
it's the music or the fact he's feeling relaxed from his recent
break, he is not feeling any pressure to think about the gig.
"I
know it's on the horizon but I don't tend to think about it til a
week in advance," he chuckles. "Me and Johnny my driver
will have a banter in the car on the way to the gig and it will all
flow from there. I don't have a set.
"There
will be the classics," he adds in his still noticeable Salford
accent. "But mostly it will be new stuff. People shout out
requests and I try and accommodate them, so there will be something
for everyone - it's the way it has to be.
"It's
great because there's no specific demographic and usually I get an
audience made up of people aged between 14 and 98. To have all these
new fans and attract the youngsters - it's terrific."
The
fact he has a whole legion of young fans should come as no surprise
given that he and his poetry have been a feature within the GCSE
syllabus for some time, something of which he's rightly proud.
"You
cannot want for more than that as a poet can you?" he says
warmly.
It
appears that his love of poetry stems from his own school days.
"I
enjoyed poetry at school - in fact my whole class was really
interested in it because our teacher John Malone inspired the whole
class," he says.
"He
was a rugged outdoor type, like Ernest Hemingway, who'd go skiing and
mountain climbing but he had this passion for 19th century romantic
poetry which he instilled in the entire class.
"It
was a slum school, a run down secondary modern in Salford and I hated
every second of it," he laughs. "But this man was a rose in
a garden of weeds and he made it live and breathe. So yes, I was
lucky.
"I
loved some of the poetry more than others of course but it inspired
me - although as a career it's a non starter and I was told it
wouldn't work so to keep it as a hobby.
"Everyone
we ever liked didn't make a career out of poetry alone," he
adds. "TS Eliot was a banker wasn't he. They had something else
to do so I feel lucky in a way to be able to make a living out of
it."
It
was seeing the career trajectory of Pam Ayres that convinced him to
give it a go.
"Her
success on the TV show Opportunity Knocks gave me encouragement,"
says John. "She writes about her world and I write about mine.
If you write what people like then why not? That's what I thought.
"Also
whenever people are being kind about any work of art or movie or
music, they say it has a poetic quality about it. So poetry is
everywhere."
Since
then he's inspired generations of artists and musicians although it's
the punk era with which he is best known, thanks in part to his look
- tall and thin with drainpipe trousers, dark glasses and wild, black
hair.
"I
was working in Manchester and I had this moddy look that was totally
out of fashion until punk rock came in," he says.
"The
Buzzcocks asked me to do shows with them and said I would fit right
in. I'm glad I did. It was edgy and a bit hostile but not for very
long and it was the right thing to do.
"It
got me out of Manchester and out of England. Since then I've
circumnavigated the globe nine times. I couldn't have done that
without punk rock."
Since
then his influence has extended over the years and to new bands. He
is particularly pleased with the band Arctic Monkey's version of his
poem, I Wanna Be Yours.
"I
loved what they did and their version is absolutely fantastic,"
he enthuses. "They covered a light hearted poem into a heartfelt
love ballad by not doing very much. The guys are really top."
And
he says he "loves" their stuff though admits to being a bit
"old school".
"I'm
a very old man and have listened to music all my life," he
jokes. "I've got Sinatra on the CD now but like Doris Day too
and other popular music. And I'm appreciative of Elvis of course."
And
it seems music has influenced his poetry.
"Beasley
Street is inspired by a song in the musical 42nd Street," he
says. "I wanted something cheesy and worked my way backwards.
"I
don't rely on inspiration though," he insists. "It's all
about graft and putting in the hours. Inspiration is for amateurs.
I've always got a notebook with me and am constantly making notes -
sometimes even on stage.
"I've
got books full of lines - sometimes that's all it takes. Sometimes
one line gives rise to a five page poem."
So
no plans to retire then?
"Oh
no, poetry is not something you have to retire from and I've no
intention of ever quitting," he says categorically.
"I've
been lucky - there have been ups and downs, of course there have, but
I feel lucky to have the opportunities I've had to do this.
"The
level of success I have now is greater than I've had before and it's
better now.
"My
stuff is better and I'm writing more - in fact I've been writing a
lot lately so a new book is definitely due!
"I
couldn't have planned it though - in fact if I had it wouldn't have
been like this," he chuckles.
"And
I'm just amazed that as an old man I'm still packing out the halls
and people are still wanting to come and hear my stuff.
"That's
pretty good isn't it?"
John
Cooper Clarke is at the Royal Festival Hall on Saturday, October 4.
Tickets cost from £22.50. Visit www.southbankcentre.co.uk or call
the box office on 020 7960 4200.